God is assigning
blame to those who have led his flock astray.
There is certainly enough blame to go around equally to the priests,
kings and false prophets, but a ray of hope is offered to the remnant who can weather
the exile. They shall be brought back to dwell in their own land.
Ellen: During
this time of Passover isn’t all life sacred? Animals should be included.
Joel: I’ve met
Chasidic Vegans.
Ellen: When
God directs us to treat every flock well I believe he is saying to be a good
steward. Raise your animals well and kill them compassionately.
Rabbi: At
its best, Kashrut means that we treat animals compassionately.
Ellen: The
land is included too. We are directed to be good shepherds of the planet. I
have a hard time with the hypocrisy during Passover when people are arguing
whether Quinoa is acceptable but then these same individuals are serving
factory farmed meat at their Seder.
Corey: I
think if you care for an animal knowing that you will eventually slaughter it
then it is more meaningful to sacrifice it or slaughter it for food. There is
something more honest about that because it means more to the person.
Ellen: I
agree! If you choose to eat meat, then treat your animals well so they have a
decent life. It’s a sense of heartfelt connection that is missing. Abraham
could have slaughtered his son but he chose not to and refused.
Julie: No
Ellen, God or the angel stopped Abraham’s hand. Abraham passed the test. It
seems that he would have killed his son for God.
Corey: The
lamb that magically appears is not connected to Abraham but it is used to take Isaac’s
place.
Bill: If
Abraham killed his miracle son how would the blood line continue?
Ellen: God
doesn’t want human sacrifice but animals seem to be exempt from this
requirement.
Bill: Referring
to 23:14 “But what I see in the prophets of Jerusalem/Is something horrifying:…”
Is Jeremiah saying that he is the only
righteous man left?
Rabbi:
Jeremiah has been rejected by his people. We see his humanity.
Joel: When
Jeremiah or God says “the prophets of Jerusalem” does he mean the non-Jewish
seers?
Rabbi: This
can be an example of some North and South bias. The North is seen by the Jerusalem
Scribes as the unseemly evil doers, but the Prophets say all are guilty – it’s
a matter of degrees.
Bill:
Referring to 23:13 “In the prophets of Samaria/ I saw a repulsive thing:…”
Were the
prophets of Samaria pretending to be true prophets?
Joel: As far
as I know there are Hebrews in Northern Samaria and then there are Samarians
who are not. These are a Quasi-Jewish group, like the Good Samaritan of the New
Testament or the Samarians in modern Israel today. The Samarians were hated as
not real Jews. At any rate, there seems to be a comparison of the North and
South’s sins. It’s a rivalry of sorts.
Rabbi: The
pagan priests were practicing human sacrifice and probably Judean sympathizers
were doing so as well.
Ellen: In
the Garden of Eden, the world was so beautiful and we still haven’t improved
upon it. This is very depressing! We see what it can mean, to be God but humans
seem to have given up.
Bill: For
this crowd there is no redemption. Crap
is going to happen!
Joel: We can’t
be good enough to please God. In every age the issue seems to come up. The
logic is that if every Jew followed the law and every person the more general Noahite
Laws, then this wouldn’t happen, but it does every time. I can see the thought
process that led to Jesus as the Savior/Messiah in Christianity. Humans want
redemption. The Prophets go from setting
the bar for good behavior through the word of God, to Apostles writing about one
person standing for all our sins, for original sin. In Judaism we have never
accepted this logic. Our sins are our own. There is no original sin. It’s our choice -the individual can choose to
be good and he/she may still survive the Exile and get back to the land, but
there are certainly no individual promises made. What is really created is a
collective promise of redemption.
Rabbi: We
have an interim promise from God. The remnant will not be all good or all bad.
This is a communal punishment. This is the struggle for humanity.
Ellen: We
are no closer to becoming actualized to our highest potential.
Joel: Last
week you were so hopeful and positive about human nature Ellen – what happened?
Rabbi: We
have developed. We don’t slaughter our children to Baal.
Julie: we
just call it something else – we send our children off to war.
I wonder if
the parents of the children who were sacrificed to Baal felt that they were
insuring the community’s well-being. In the modern world, some parents whose
children serve in the Military speak in parallel voices. They understand that
their children are going to war with the possibility
of their not returning in order to preserve the morals and values of our
country. I do not wish to demean their efforts or sacrifice but why does this sound so similar? When making these decisions, have we actually exhausted
all other possible options which would lead us to such a limited framework of thought and action? Why do
we cop to a “sacrificial” position so quickly? In reading the Jeremiah text I am always
struck by how few things have actually changed and how frankly, human behavior
does not seem very progressive. We certainly make technological advances but we
are in this perennial moral dance where the steps are three forward then back two. We
are instructed to take a higher moral position, but in doing so, we run the
risk of putting ourselves in harms way because humanity’s efforts are not in synch . There is always the ideal and the reality and how
we function within this space. As Jews and as individuals of the Human Race, this
seems to be the challenge. Luckily we are provided with a guide book to assist
us around those pointed sharp turns.
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